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summercomfort ([personal profile] summercomfort) wrote2005-11-28 12:01 am

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Thanksgiving was good but very unproductive. Looking ahead, I have ...
- Japanese Oral exam, noon tomorrow
- 8-10 page paper for Arts of Tang, due Tuesday 1:30pm
- Chinese Civ final paper, due Wed 11:30 am.

So I should really be doing work. Instead, I was reading about colored bubbles and the environmental cost of having a baby. That baby article had an interesting bit...

Hall and his colleagues found that a single new American born in the 1990s will be responsible, over his or her life, for 22 million pounds of liquid waste and 2.2 million pounds each of solid waste and atmospheric waste. He or she will have a lifetime consumption of 4,000 barrels of oil, 1.5 million pounds of minerals and 62,000 pounds of animal products that will entail the slaughter of 2,000 animals.

"In terms of energy usage alone, [which is] a convenient measure of environmental impact," Knight says, "the average Ethiopian uses one 310th of what we use. So when an American couple stops at two kids it's like an Ethiopian couple stopping at 620."


Which makes me think this may be a good standard for having children. Like, a graduated scale based on consumption. Lower natural consumption usually also means they're living in a less sophisticated society which may actually need the extra manpower. Find a middle-of-the-roader country, set that to "2 babies per couple", and then everyone else scale accordingly. I mean, Ethiopia's a bit on the low scale, but, say, um, Brazil? Or whatever. Say 1 baby per person (2 babies per couple) is set to Brazil, which means 1 baby every 6 people in the US and 10 babies for every person in Ethiopia. Now not every couple will have 20 babies in Ethiopia, but nor would Americans restrict themselves to 1 baby between every 3 couples. We've always relied on the fact that the more educated and socially conscious people get, the fewer babies they will want to have. Having a concrete scale, even if it's not enforced, would be good because both the top and the bottom tends to be self-enforcing. (won't get into the whole law/morality thing here). This would encourage more social mobility, as well. You can even graduate it within each country. Like, if your livelihood is not very consumptive, you can have more children, or something.

I dunno, man. It's always weird thinking about this sorta stuff. It's social manipulation what no one is comfortable with. But everyone pretty much agrees that the world cannot sustain much more population. I guess another way is to do "leap generations". Like, all the couples of this generation can only have 1 child. The next generation can have whatever, and then the next generation is 1 child again, or something. But that'd screw up social security. Or, what'd be funny/horrible would be that the number of children you can have is determined by the year you were born in. Or having quotas by year. Like, only 3 million babies can be born each year. And now we're wandering to the ludicrous side of SF.

[identity profile] eptified.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 06:46 am (UTC)(link)
Have I mentioned recently that I'm glad you're alive?

[identity profile] eptified.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 10:23 am (UTC)(link)
Just your twisty thought process.

[identity profile] satyreyes.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 01:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh Sushu, you are so Chinese, with the one-child-per-couple thing :D

I'm a little blase about the population growth thing, myself. Partly because it's not a huge problem in America and other countries don't matter. Partly because previous forecasts about how we're all going to be dead within the next decade due to overpopulation (cf. Malthus) have all been wrong. Partly because the very idea "we're all going to be dead due to overpopulation" makes no sense; it's like the story of the woman who suggests that she and her friend have dinner at Richardson's, and her friend replies "no one goes to Richardson's anymore, it's too crowded." But mostly because it's easier not to care. I've not been following the news much recently for the same reason. It's sad, but also liberating. I dunno.

[identity profile] satyreyes.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 01:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, and by the way: Colored bubbles?

[identity profile] absolutsauron.livejournal.com 2005-11-29 03:47 am (UTC)(link)
Believe it or not, they do exist.
Forgive me if I'm being redundant, I'm just excited about them =P.
http://zubbles.com/gallery/index.asp

[identity profile] kitsuchan.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
(too many pampered selfish people in the new generation)
You can say that again. And too many bored parents with nothing to do but call and complain because their kids didn't learn enuogh on the first day of class.

Sushu's right- it's not that we'll all die, but that there are so many people living poorly. I like your baby resource allocation idea. And the colored bubbles are awesome.

[identity profile] lalainyourface.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
ooo... Colored bubbles! I read about that. Its cool. I'm glad I'm alive.
Who eptified?

[identity profile] conejita.livejournal.com 2005-11-29 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
yes! and voluntary eugenics >my rationale for not wanting kids is I come from a long line of crazy people that started with inbreeding in a tiny town in france/germany< but what if I adopt an Ethiopian? I'm not increasing net population, but essentially I'm increaing net consumption. and am I increaing population indirectly? >ok now I'm just confusing myself<